Economic Calculation in a Natural Law / RBE, Peter Joseph, The Zeitgeist Movement, Berlin

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1. anyone any idea where I could find the picture from 20.20? would appreciate:)
2. There is no resource based economy, it's just a idea. I'm working on it now, which means computing synergic physical relationships. If you know any of this, give a sound and we can coop.
3. One simple question. What possible definition of "empirically" could Peter Joseph be using when he says "market capitalism is 'empirically' socially destabalizing. It creates unnecessary and inhumane inequality" when the empirical evidence is virtually univocal that populations with higher economic freedom (that is, those that are more market and private property oriented) score BETTER on equality metrics like the GENI coefficients. (For example: http://www.debate.org/donald.keller/photos/album/2764/21924/ )
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5. exchange resources on a provisional basis over time to achieve maximum stability and efficiency.
6. The major questions that stand out to me are:
   (1) How do you deal with people who prefer human-made goods (such as hand-crafted chairs, chef-made meals, and works-of-art) and services (such as live competition, performance, or entertainment) and consider those with access to them as privileged?
   (2) How do you determine what materials are available without violating privacy? [This came up in the Q&A of the linked video, but I felt it was not satisfactorily answered.]
   (3) What do you do when materials are [already] engaged in people's lives--perhaps in a personal, intimate, aesthetic, or spiritual/sacred way? Can you simply take materials away from people without disturbing or perhaps even colonizing their lives?
   (4) What about ideas for production that are unusual, controversial, subversive, unpopular, and/or otherwise marginalized?
   (5) What if people transform materials and produce things themselves [DIY]? Will you tightly control such production in order to optimize outcomes [see #2]?
   (6) Do you monitor and measure resources at the energetic, atomic, molecular, mineral, or formal level?
   (7) What if concentrated centers of production are vulnerable to breakdown or attack?
7. Too bad complexity science has pretty much nullified this entire premise.
8. Not preventing someone from dying is not morally equivalent to murder. How could belive such a thing? People are only responsible for the foreseeable consequences of their actions, not the consequences of their inactions.
9. Obviously this is the only way forward for the planet. We just need to persuade the world's big powerful corporation CEO's and the political & military leaders to accept it!
10. Aren''t the ideas and the proposed concept of the Zeitgeist System / NLRBA being derived from Technocracy Inc. that was founded ( early ) in the 20th century?
11. If you can make lots of food, water and energy more effeciently than the way it is currently done, why hasn't some greedy capitalist started doing it yet?
12. At 1:55:00 he tries to answer the question of individual demand vs. group demand.
    I could easily see how someone would just want their little abode and live minimally.
    I could see how someone else would want a mansion on every continent, a super yacht for each ocean and a luxury aircraft for each.
    It seems that perhaps 5% of people would want to use 100x more resources than the other 95%. The question still remains "Is there enough of a particular resource?" The question of "Is it distributed fairly?" is the exact emotional nature which drives capitalism.
    The question of CAN WE? is more relevant to a society based on technical solutions than SHOULD WE? which is the hallmark of a society based upon arbitrary morality.
13. At 1:09:00 he starts talking about the fear of everyone getting the same thing through automation. I'd like to address that.
    Given the internet is simply a mechanism by which we can exchange what is essentially design, we can insert our own designs or use the designs developed by others to create our own specially designed items. I see design becoming even more unique, not more uniform.
    Further, if we can spend billions to turn a phone into a smart phone in 20 years, what if we spent that energy creating in-home 3D printing and Recycling systems which took hydrocarbons and recombined them in various formats.
    A localization principle of materials, not simply food, energy or water, would eliminate a great degree of transportation, storage and manufacturing.
14. Has trudeau seen this ? It be cool if canada built an army of scientist
15. any Marxists watching?
16. Im was torn between taking him seriously and brushing him off as just another socialist with a grand plan. To brush off the economic calculation argument as put forward by Ludwig von Mises in 1920, which is still the greatest argument against the abolition of private property by saying:
    
    "The trick, is to completely eliminate exchange and create a direct control and feedback link between the consumer and the means of production itself. The consumer becomes part of the means of production and the industrial complex, if you will, becomes nothing more than a tool which is accessed by the public to generate goods."
    
    I'm dumbfounded by how this guy got invited to any podium anywhere after that. He offered no new arguments. All previously refuted arguments. It's merely a testament to the failure of public education that an idea disproven--over, and over, and over again, both theoretically and empirically--can keep attracting new-found support.
    
    Keep reading "my friends".
17. 1:28:00 "The efficiency of the military" Very interesting.
18. the part at 26:35 truly brought tears to my eyes. It's so frustrating how so many people suffer simply because our governing systems have virtually not regard for structural violence, in fact it feeds it. While the positive aspects of this movement are a great motivator for change, structural violence is my biggest motivator to keep pushing forward.
    
    The violence our current systems produce is entirely preventable by the most fundamental and simple aspect of human happiness, caring for one another.
    "If you want to produce a criminal or gang mentality, let them be raised in an environment where they are reinforced with the sense that society doesn't care about them; and hence they have no need to care about society" -PJ
19. do I have permission to upload this to my youtube channel? I won't get a youtube copyright strike?
20. the basics of life are as follows:
    HEalth, food, water, shelter, transportation, and education.
    
    Wealth or religious ideology does not fit into the basics if you understand that wealth and religion is a byproduct of greed and fear, a human emotion. We put wealth into the system to regulate the basics in life. With technology wealth is no longer necessary to have the basics in life. Profitability from the basics is no longer sustainable. KNOW WE ARE ONE PLANET. all life is connected to the universe in a quantum way, you should feel that by default, you did when you were younger you just forgot via the accumulation of man made memes. The current system does not define humanity...HUMANITY defines the system. HUMANITY WILL REACH A HIGHER LEVEL OF EXISTENCE if we survive our age of ignorance.