Three Questions: What do you propose? by Peter Joseph | The Zeitgeist Movement
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Can you resolve these three questions/problems logically without realizing the need to remove the Market Economy? If so: Make a video or letter and email it to us: media @ thezeitgeistmovement.com The Three Questions: ( please watch video before answering the below as the premise is explained as in great detail. ) 1) Given the market economy requires consumption in order to maintain demand for human employment and further economic growth as needed, is there a structural incentive to reduce resource use, biodiversity loss, the global pollution footprint and hence assist the ever-increasing need for improved ecological sustainability in the world today? 2) In an economic system where companies seek to limit their production costs (“cost efficiency”) in order to maximize profits and remain competitive against other producers, what structural incentive exists to keep human beings employed, in the wake of an emerging technological condition where the majority of jobs can now be done more cheaply and effectively by machine automation? 3) In an economic system which inherently generates class stratification and overall inequity, how can the effects of “Structural Violence” - a phenomenon noted by public health researchers to kill well over 18 million a year, generating a vast range of systemic detriments such as behavioral, emotional and physical disorders – be minimized or even removed as an effect? Transcript and Sources: http://blog.thezeitgeistmovement.com/JosephProposeEssay.pdf ___ Please Subscribe to this channel: https://www.youtube.com/subscription_center?add_user=TZMOfficialChannel Join the TZM Mailing list: http://thezeitgeistmovement.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/tzmglobal Twitter: https://twitter.com/tzmglobal Get the Non-Profit Book: http://thezeitgeistmovement.com/orientation
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first off Peter,you should be cloned,your addendums lexicon and literal composure is a strict anomally.thank you.the only resolution I see to the further proliferation of the human population with out drastic reform and inconsideration of 7.3. billion people on a finite planet with finite resources;is to allow a clean energy power source for the developing and highly populated world.We (capitalists)keep a clean energy economy in check as we evolve in our oil based economy.Capitalism (USA,EU etc)oil based economy,BRICK clean energy economy (*BRAZIL,RUSSIA,INDIA,CHINA and Korea).There's no recourse other than to transcend the whole market system and apply a resource based economy,now social design will set off 27,000 nuclear warheads.I will advocate education ,TZM...Emmanuel Ponce P.S. you tube STRIKE ENTERTAINMENT PRESENTS-002 ,share and like
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The human brain evolved for 10,000 years in a environment, where the only way to survive was to fight others over scarce resources, i.e., compete for food. The industrial revolution occurred less than 200 years ago. We were never meant to adapt to the kind of abundance that technology has brought, and by the time our brains evolve to accept it, we will likely have destroyed ourselves, in our fear based behaviors conditioned by nature.
It will take hundreds, perhaps thousands of years for us our brains to go from scarcity and fear based thinking, to abundance and love based thinking. Advancement is slow. If the human species has any hope of survival, it needs to somehow adopt strategies that will ensure our survival over this long period of evolution.
If massive tax reform were to be implemented, using the Georgism school of thought, that would at least pacify the masses through a legitimate and natural re-allocation of wealth, thereby quelling violent upheavals and social unrest, using methods that do not violate tenets of the capitalist system. The only true wealth is land ownership, and that is what must be taxed, as a replacement of all other taxes.
"The equal right of all people to the use of the land is as clear as their equal right to breathe the air, a right proclaimed by the very fact of their existence." -- Henry George
Justice demands that the tax burden be placed on the landowners, instead of the landless peasants who, in the current system, bear the entire burden of funding government. Those who benefit the least from government protection should pay the least to maintain it. THIS is what must be corrected FIRST, and the cultural shift that could then arise would glorify other virtues.
The crisis is a crisis of consciousness, as PJ says. It is a crisis in our values, where the only virtue that is valued now is greed. Greed must be diminished in the popular culture. Greed must be shamed within the very collective consciousness of the species. Once we stop glorifying criminal levels of greed, then other virtues can be uplifted, true virtues such as loyalty, honesty, integrity, and steadfast congruence.
To summarize:
Step 1: Tax reform. (100 to 200 years)
Step 2: Re shape the values of popular culture. (500 to 1000 years)
Step 3: Implement Resource Based Economy. (500 to 1000 years)
By the year 3050, we could very well see the demise of market economics. -
The question always comes back to "the transition". How do you go from the deeply ingrained capitalist paradigm to a cashless society? This would be a shocking culture shift, for most people it would be almost like being suddenly thrown into a foriegn country, where nobody even speaks their language. So, it must be done in steps.
The first step is implementation of LVT, as described by Henry George. Research it. To get to the top of the ladder, you must first surmount the bottom rung. -
1) In a free market there is a market for anything. This includes resource conservation: recycling centers, wildlife preservation, etc. all find funding in the market system. In addition the world has no truly free market system. The industries available and profitability of them are restricted by laws and social acceptance. This leads your question itself to be flawed in that the market need not be based entirely on a cycle of consumption.
2) The market depends on ideas, humans thinking of something new to base an industry around, a new improvement to an existing product, or simply humans pursuing their passions and hopefully making money from it. While automation is a serious concern and will inevitably lead to mass unemployment in for certain jobs, it will not be this inevitably doomsday scenario. This partially connected with my answer to question one in that legal regulation and social acceptance will play a role; many may well pay more for products produced by humans just as there is an industry for more expensive "organic" produce. Humans aren't completely logical animals focused solely on maximising output.
3) Humans are inherently hierarchical creatures, it would be impossible for there to be a "classless" society for there will always be humans that are smarter, stronger, more ambitious or creative than most others. In addition the cases of corporations causing death could be inhibited by limiting their currently extreme levels of power and enacting effective regulation rather than requiring complete dismantling of the current economic system.
There are indeed serious problems today but they aren't inherently flaws with the market economy. In addition questions were proposed but -
como hago para comunicarme con un grupo de seguidores o activistas???
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Peter Joseph is a God
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To anyone who cannot see his point and believes in our current system:
Do not forsake the betterment of your species because of the uncertainty change bestows. We cannot fear new approaches. Our old ways of surviving as a species is failing us in terms of long-term survival and it is only through these tried methods are we able to see how we can live more efficiently and why that matters. It is only through the disorder our systems have brought forth that we will find true value in changing our ways. -
This is undebunkable. how can anyone get around this without a strawman argument? There are more resources in our landfills than we can account for. What other need for that other than cyclical consumption?
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Vote with your dollars. What you buy is what you support, products and processes.
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when is the new movie coming ? I can't find any news about it any where
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he's a Communist get him lol
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Seeing the state of the world around me is what drives me to pursue a degree in electrical mechanical engineering. Because I want to use my knowledge to push towards automation and green energy to put pressure on the system in the direction of an rbe. I want to do everything I can in my lifetime to fight for an ideal economy that actually cares about us.
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Hi, I'm an RBE advocate and am looking for people to QA a response I have to the above questions posed by Peter Joseph. I am looking for feedback both positive and negative, so don't be shy. It's a vid titled, Three Questions: What I propose... Thanks. Gordon
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BORN AND RAISED INSIDE A CASINO PALACE AND THEN ONE DAY DISCOVERS OUTSIDE THERE IS A REAL ZEITGEIST WORLD
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makes perfect sense!
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thank you Mr Joseph.can you graph a society ran by bio metrics,cybernetics,trans cranial magnetic stimulation all within the context of contemporary marketing...
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Why keep employing people!? Do people really want to work? Why not have robots be the slaves of 21st century? they aren't living things to be honest so it's not unetical at all.
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+Alpha Omega The new movie is going to come out around the end of this year maybe beginning of 2017. Thats what Peter said a few weeks ago in an email to his IndieGoGo backers.
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You are a good person Peter Joseph! I have followed the Zeitgeist Movement for some years and have tried to spread the word. My one fear is what I call 'Terminal Reset' The elite will not give up easily their way of life. I fear they will 'reset' the whole structure by eliminating many of the 'working' class and destroying the very technology that can make life easier, in effect sending us back to their glory period at the start of the industrial revolution. People are being dumbed down ready for this . I even explained TZMs' way to someone in great detail and got the response " Oh! for gods sake! Just be normal" I think we are now all doomed. We are starting to see the start of it here now in Europe with the displacement of people and culture and if it carries on unabated I don't know where it will end? We all need to move faster........
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There are 3 types of people
1: People who thinks: "We have enought resource, and we do not take care about it (Planet recovers its resources)
2: There are people who think that the planet can feed 13-14 bilions (american bilion) people (some people even think that number is 17-22miliard) They think like this: "I live today, i do care only about my life and my family, i do not care what is going on when there was a 13 bilion people around here. In that time i was be dead. Let it be, this problems solves future generations.
3: People who do not care (the majority)
And because they do not care, they do not see the need to change anything, what you presented here.
I HATE fucking HATE this ignorance.
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